“I have no religion! Don’t put me into religion. I have no religion.” He pauses a long moment while pointing above. “Human beings - we are for the purpose. We are the weapons.” He quickly rephrases. “We are the instruments of Him. He can make us into weapon, too. He can create us in any idea. Any idea. That somebody says ‘luck’ and ‘unluck’. I don’t know. Luck (is) to be here. To feel His Grace. To be happy.”

“Tell us about how to attain,” Duncan asks. The object is left unspoken, but his hands signal both upwards toward the heavens and also to his own heart. “How to attain? I don’t say. Just you have to attain.” He speaks directly to Duncan. “You cannot do that. How you can do that? Can you do? You tell me. If you have to attain that, you have to kill all your body feelings. Nothing need. So, I cannot take you to that sanyas[2] idea, to move behind me as a sanyasi. You have to work, so you work with your body feeling. So you must work. That’s what Krisna[3] says. Creation is first. You have to create. Whatever idea you want to create, that is His idea. It’s not you.” He turns back to the audience. “So you have to do. You have to work. You have to get everything. If you need to attain, then have to kill away this body feeling to be a stone or steel. Then only you can attain. Can you be a steel?” he asks Duncan.